Moving from America to France or Germany

From what I can tell it looks like Germany would be the easier way to go. I mean .. France can make you leave in 3 months. Besides you can visit there from Deutschland. And perhaps if you meet a French girl sometime, you will marry, and then become a French citizen that way.

There should be plenty of culture in Germany. Besides, I have German ancestors. I believe you will have to be there 8 years and show command of the language. Then, you must renounce your American citizenship.

Bonjour Jeff, (and whosoever like to hear too)
Yes your right!

Myself as an artist too ! I am a R.I.T. graduated in art and found that especially in usa they do for money and vercious competion!
Non-tanquility society, it’ true. friend of mine form college was also an artiest and she had an european favors.
I dont know waght your aspect in life but anyone who want to go to art college or institute alike, a great art college i know is Parson art school in new York City, but its awful expensive(as bad as Harvard or Yale!) BUT this has two campuses! One in N.Y.C. and one in Paris, easy for exchange students travels either ways.
Unfortunately, I ended up at R.I.T. it’s Rochester Institute of Technolgy, and it was a good college although.

There are some good art school such like Photo and Fashion Institute also in N.Y.C. but not as Parson art school which has two campuses!

So, about moving to france or Germany, get to know or familar with the regions, and seeking advices froms French or Germans. Alos familar with their languages as well like to chat over this forum is a good place to start. au revour!

I appreciate you reply, and I wish you the best. I really do.

However, personally I disdain the idea of having to go to art school to enter Europe. I disdain the whole art school thing. The idea, or should I say mad convention and force, that one must attend those places not only to be an artist, but to enter Europe, is absolutely ludicrous. As you stated, it is expensive isn’t it? Well .. I have access to money and could get into some art schools .. so why don’t I attend? Some people have to attend those schools because it is the only worth they can derive. From the outside .. worth from the outside. But they believe it is from the inside. Madness .. absolute madness. I on the other hand attended engineering curriculum knowing I would not want to work in the engineering field. That’s guts. That’s from the inside. I’m working from my very guts that keep me alive. What I’m here to do provides me with necessary models for any necessary indirect study. And I know if I could only get to the right woman .. just one of 7 billion, she would step aside of all of the disconnection and complication and come with me. That is the problem, she’s out there, I’m here and we do not have communication. And it may seem overly trivial, too dreamy or far fetched, but I know its importance. So I can state it without shame or uncertainty.

Why you attend the art school I am not speculating o.k. ? Besides, it doesn’t matter what I say, for you should know. But you did mention names of art schools didn’t you? I wonder who you would be without that name you mention. And if you are offended, it must be I tell you. Though I don’t mean you any complication. For I don’t need others to agree with me. And if what I say .. you know is not the case, then you need not argue the point anyhow. I don’t need to mention names of any school. And I believe there are others like myself all over the world, the only difference between myself and yourself is I cannot find them at some school. For they would have nothing to do with it. And consequently I’m sure they are being figuratively eaten alive by there respective society.

Thomas Mann for instance, if I understand correctly, was a german school dropout. But you may not know Hans Castorp ey? Because I didn’t say why my name on here is from Der Zauberberg by Thomas Mann. But the character is so simple and unpretentious. So someone may recognize it and we could go from there. But a school name? Non. They and I would have no conversation. Their head is too full of others’ things.

The only stint of anything aside from culture purely from the worst sorts of struggle in this country, is the 60s. But we know what happened to that little spurt of open mind, don’t we?

VIETNAM

Oh yes, that’s exactly what happened. And we can note that uh .. not much been happenin since. The fact of the matter, not a school name, is that America’s ‘culture’ aside from money and those just happy to be alive since they were slaves before, etc, is simply a bad play of much more interesting or .. alive things abroad from here. The women here are like .. zombies, only differentiated from discovery of this through the clothes they buy. You know the ones that mimic styles from other places and are made in 3rd world countries, and sold here?
Yeah .. those things.

What I know is that this country has been raped, and that its natural environment, given the momentum, is irrepairably damaged. The only reason that these people are able to live as blindly as they do is because there is simply so much here to steal and use. And use, and use again. I’ve hung out with the drunken native americans in New Mexico and I know about the nuclear waste being sold into reservation mountains.

As far as entering Europe, of course I can do it. I have the will.
First of all, I may marry a woman from France and then that’s it.
However, one might say, you only married her because she is from France? Yes, but why did I want to be in France? And if it comes down in the end that France trully will not have myself then of course I will not bother her anymore on the matter.

Germany I am not convinced is the best place for people similar to myself, and with all do respect sincerely, not yourself for you are nothing like me. And I am nothing like you. And I don’t need to know you to know that, nor you me as far as I’m concerned.

Holland is possible. From what I hear one must be able to speak Dutch.
Oh well yes of course one must know Dutch to work in the Netherlands, blah blah blah. But do they know how difficult it is to learn in this environment of American ‘culture’? When one is working from the very lifeline from which they derive the will to live?! Or maybe they say, "there are people dying of disease in Africa" or "let us deal with Iraq, instead of yourself and others like you". Well you know what? Zoot allures or whatever it is. You know what I mean. I did not occupy Africa nor did I infringe on the Middle East. I’m trying to get the hell out of here. So just because these maniacs through time have lowered the standard so beyond recognition that one must have school names or money things to not drown in that dynamic is stomach wrenching.
Let’s see where in the hell was I, oh yes. Dutch citizenship, for example. Assuming one has enough money to get a residence permit, they can find an employer provided they speak Dutch. Then it will take 5 years to become a citizen there. So although I don’t believe Holland is the best place for myself, it will be a beginning if that is what it must come down to.

Again it only takes one marriage. If one can find a spouse in the country, citizenship may be acquired. And all I need is a decent woman who is a good person with a sense of culture beyond mere dollars, and I will always adore and love her however I’m capable.
Perhas I will not be able to do it that way but .. it is possible.

As far as my tone vs yours .. well, let’s see. You are in an easy position. I am being ripped to pieces by society all around .. completely drowning and starving to move on. And I chose my path. Instead of an easy way.

Thomas Mann is a really good writer, isn’t he?
Zsolt from Hungary

Come to Hungary instead. This country is a mixturte of Germany and France.

Hans go with your dreams and intuition, it always works better that way. Good Luck in Europe!

La Nikita