And the words of comrade Iossif Vissarionovitch echo in my head : 2,000 dead is a tragedy. 2,000,000 dead is statistics.
No, it is nothing to be elated about. I feel each and everytime I hear about one of our troops being killed, not to mention the over 6,000 who are maimed for life, some of them worse than the Vietnam Group. I can hardly watch or listen when they show the pictures of the fallen on TV. All so very young, and for what? So Bush and his chickenhawks can stay in power and put more money in their pockets.Sen Bob Graham has an interesting book out today and he will be making the talk show circuit. I hope it helps. However, Bush/Cheney gang have already dismissed him…and I believe he should be in the know, since he was on the Senate Intelligence Committee for many years.
It simply amazes me that so many people can actually be voting for Bush after all that has happened. I guess they are "scared" and want to feel "safe"…What is "safe" if we bankrupt ourselves in the process by trying to force a change in Middle East that they do not want. Who are we to say that democracy is the best form of government. AND the big question is, how democratic are we today?Did the candidate in 2000 who won the election, is he in the White House?
i guess we should thank you for saying that shouldnt we.(im being rude)you must take great joy in rubing that in our faces dont you?That is just distastefull.sorry if im takeing this too personaly.but i am and i will not go in to detail why i do, but i just do.So thank you for pointing that out.
Your post has really confused me. I do not understand what you are trying to convey. Care to elaborate?
ikorrellim :sorry.some times i dont get my point across.Ok it just seems that crc95 post is just mean.like if he or she.(sorry crc95 i dont know if you a boy or girl)is pokeing fun at this.thats all.i just took it to heart when may be i shouldnt have.
crc95 was being sarcastic. Unfortunately he was aiming at the wrong audience. I don’t think any of us here support the war and I think all of us are horrified at the violence.
I guess if you feel the need to strike out, you strike out the only place you can and he can at least vent to people he knows are Americans.
I suspect we’ve all had those kinds of feelings too and I think we all join in grieving the 1000 lost and the even more wounded.
crc95: Be careful. Someone a while back gave us a history lesson with regard to the genesis of Iraq. The French and the French government during and after World War I didn’t come out looking so good. Although we will be replacing Bush shortly, you still have to realize that we Americans are a rambunctious bunch. You need to figure out how to deal with us so that we don’t end up making the mistakes that France could have helped us avoid. That should set you off… The people on this Forum deeply love France, its people and its culture. We are also a small minority of the the USA. Donerail
None of us here like Bush. I voted for him 4 years ago and i’m sorry I did!! He has squandered world goodwill from 9-11 by starting the Iraq war. All those dead people, whether Iraqui or American are a terrible loss. His Patriot act and Homeland Security Act scare me in how it violates our civil rights. I watched Cheney’s speech on TV from the RNC and it gave me the creeps. No wonder they had such tight security at Madison Square Garden! Osama would of lobbed a bomb Bush’s way if he could of, and frankly I don’t blame him. If Bush is re-elected, imagine the terrible things he will do. He knows he cann’t get a 3rd term, he will do whatever he wants for 4 years, and the USA Constitution, the American people, the WORLD be damned!
ikkorelim: I’ve seen Iraq war coverage on the TV when I was in France. If you think coverage is bad here, you should see the uncensored versions being shown in Europe. They show Americans blowing up cars on the highways of Iraq with women and children in them. They show things there that would be very politically incorrect here in the USA.
LVB: You can be excused for voting for Bush. How were you to know? The alternative was that sorryass Gore who can lie with the best of them. Although a liar, I don’t thing Gore was evil. The Bush, Cheney crowd is evil and very scary. McCarthyism is alive and well in America. What a disgrace Chaney is. Who would have thought that anyone could bring you, me, SalB, crc95, ikorrellim et al together in such harmony? Bush/Cheney is finished. Donerail
Many of us voted for Gore simply to keep Bush out of office. As I said, I lose a lot. It would be really nice, for a change, to be able to really vote FOR someone rather than against someone. That is what choice is supposed to be about.
The joke in our family is that when I vote for someone, it is the kiss of death. Anyone I vote for loses! Perhaps I should vote for Bush just so he would lose. Do you think it would work? I’m scared to try. It might not work.
SalB: does that mean you voted for Bob Dole too ?? LOL
To all : sorry if I shocked anybody on this forum, but wise Republican SalB got it right, it was mere sarcasm and nothing else (although I don’t really understand exactly why was anyone shocked).
Actually it was more than that, it was rather bitterness, bitterness to see all these young men barely out of high school dead, and for what ?
We are not shocked. But, the 1,000 number brings it all back to us. If you have noticed since Iraq became soveign in June Iraq has taken a backseat to news..at least here. The Olympics which Bush used for political gain with an ad against the Olympics Committee’s objections, the two conventions and other matters have put the Iraq war low in the news items. And for good reason for the Bushes…they want it on the backburner. That is why we are not allowed to see the flag draped coffins, they say it is for the sensitivity (that word again) for the families, but the real reason is that we would have been in an uproar (the American people) to end this mess that Bush and his chickenhawks got us into.
The 1,000 reminds us that there are 1,000 families that have broken hearts today that will never mend. I could cry just thinking about how those Mother’s and Father’s feel. I have a 24 years old son who is my "heart" and his Father’s, who has just been deployed a third time (he was suppose to have orders to stay in US, but they were cancelled)…He left in August…I will worry until he returns. He is in the Navy and on a ship and I worry, think how those poor families feel when their sons and daughters are in Iraq and Afganistan. I would be a basket case…with worry and the dread of seeing military personnel coming up to my door.
I say send George Bush, his daughters and Cheney and his two daughters to Iraq…that is justice….
crc95, I said I had never actually voted Republican . . . and certainly not for Bob Dole. He’s a joke. I’m a Clinton Republican! There are a lot of us here.
You know, it is very sad that all the very young men (boys, to me) have died in Iraq. However, I also feel great sympathy to the older National Guardsmen who have been sent over. They are in the late 30s to 50s and they are leaving jobs, families including kids in college who may end up being sent to Iraq also. These are kids in their teens who have suddenly lost their father and the family breadwinner. These fellows really are not in physical shape to be there in the first place. They join the Natl. Guard thinking they will be called to help in national emergencies like earthquakes, floods, fires, etc. and then they get sent off for years (instead of a week or a month) to get shot at. Their employers are supposed to hold their jobs for them, but they have to have people to do the work so then those people know they will lose their jobs when the Guardsmen come back. Some of these employers have gone out of business so the Guardsmen have no jobs and neither do the other employees. This whole thing in Iraq was just not thought out, not planned for and is patently unfair to all concerned.
ikorrellim is right about the media not showing flag-draped coffins on the news. The whole thing is very hush hush. Worse yet, no one ever mentions the wounded and the Bush administration has actually cut benefits to veterans and cut funding to veterans’ hospitals. It is a national tragedy. Then, no one mentions the huge number of Iraqis who have died and been wounded. We’ve come close to wiping out an entire generation there. If another country did this, we would be screaming "war crimes" but since we are doing it, no one has the courage to scream. It is pure evil and there is no way to gloss it over. I really don’t see how Bush can stand up in front of people and say the world is safer. Good grief, just look at the news for the past two weeks! Safer? I think not.
crc95/SalB/Ikorrellim/LVB: I am in shock as I agree with all of you. In about four weeks, Liveshot Kerry will get serious and Bushie will be history. Donerail
In addition to the "Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater" discussed on another thread, I might add "Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched."
SalB: In french " il ne faut pas vendre la peau de l’ours avant de l’avoir tuÃ©" It mean’s "don’t sell the bear skin untill having killed it."But I prefer your sentence, compare Bush to a bear is an insult to all bears…It
Donerail: I had a dream… American people kicking bush out of the White House…Happy to see you’ve the same one…
I don’t know if Bush will lose. Bush is playing dirty now, and Kerry’s supporters are becoming undecided. in NJ where I live, we’ve always gone Democratic, however Bush is only 3 points below Kerry. You all know that Bush will save some devestating, dirty rumor until the very end to slander Kerry.
4 more years of Bush will be a nightmare.
BTW, did you all know that the infamous Kitty Kelley has written an unauthorized bio of Bush? It will be released next week. Her publisher says that ALL facts were checked in the book. If something wasn’t 100% proven, then it was left out of the book because of the power of the person being written about. It should be interesting to read.
LVB: As you know, I have no love for Bushie but I question the Kitty Kelly book. I recognize its gossip and can be entertaining. But it is a "in the gutter" type thing to perpetrate during a Federal Presidential Election. Then again, Bushie and neo-cons probably disserve it. Donerail
donerail: I hope in your last paragraph you meant "deserve". You typed "disserve" 🙂 Big difference in meaning
LVB: Thanks, you are correct. That is one of the six to eight words that I always misspell. Been doing it for decades. Donerail
donerail: are you turning into another Amero-Franc now with your double spellings?
I keep telling you, LVB, that he IS Amero-Franc.
SalB/LVB: It would be nice if you teachers would try to help me out with my spelling and syntax. Instead, you just carp and whine. I’ll make a deal: You help me with my grammar and I’ll help you two out with absorbing some wisedom. Donerail
hey can I play ?
crc95: You would have to ask the two hens, excuse me, the teachers. Donerail
lol … sometimes you’re really cruisin’ for a bruisin’ !
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